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FORZA 3: D CLASS CARS TUNING
NOTE: The following setups have been provided by other Forza 3 Players or have been used using a tuning calculator. Please note that tuning is different for each player, track and vehicle, hence the followig tunes are merely to provide a feel of the tuning direction.
D Class MINI COOPER S:

Details for the race are as follows:
Sunday, July 27th, 2008 at 10:00 EST
Laps: 4
Damage: Cosmetic
Collisions: Default (we don’t want some turd ruining it)
Tires and Fuel: Simulation


Make: Mini
Model: Cooper S
Tuned by: Dewstain
Painted by: Dewstain
Buildsheet:
UPGRADES:
Engine and Power
Race Intake
Race Exhaust
Street Ignition
Platform and Handling:
Sport Transmission, Stock Driveline, Stock Weight, everything else Race
Tires and Rims:
Stock Tires
Stock Width
18″
Borbet Design BS Rims
Body and Aero:
Forza front bumper
Forza wing
TUNE:
Tires:
Front = 27
Rear = 28
Gearing:
Final = 2.75
1st = Can’t Change
2nd = Can’t Change
3rd = Can’t Change
4th = Can’t Change
5th = Can’t Change
6th = Can’t Change
Alignment:
Front Camber = -0.8
Rear Camber = -0.7
Front Toe = 0.3
Rear Toe = 0.1
Front Caster = 5.4
Anti-Roll Bars:
Front = 7.30
Rear = 23.20
Springs:
Front = 405.6
Rear = 503.1
Front Height = 4.8
Rear Height = 4.9
Damping:
Front Rebound = 4.2
Rear Rebound = 10.5
Front Bump = 3.4
Rear Bump = 3.0
Aero:
Front = 125
Rear = 150
Braking:
Balance = 45%
Pressure = 100%
Differential:
Front Accel = 16%
Front Decel = 0%
D Class 1969 Dodge Charger
Speed: 5.8
Acceleration: 4.5
Braking: 3.3
Handling: 3.0
Upgrades:
Engine: Race Positive Displacement Supercharger (stock powertrain)
Handling: All Race except for Stock flywheel, stock driveline, and stock weight reduction.
Tires and Rims: Stock tires and width, 17 inch rims, Brabus monoblock IV
Aero: Forza Race Rear Wing
Tune:
Tires: 32, 32 (55 55 for hotlapping)
Gearing:
FD:3.60
2.15
1.41
1.03
0.82
0.72
.1 (not used)
Camber: -.7, -.5
Toe: 0.0, -.5
Caster: 7.0
AR Bars: 40, 29
Springs: 306.3, 313.8
Ride Height: 8.5, 7.2
Damping: 16.0, 18.0
Bump: 2.5, 2.5
Aero: NA, 150
Breaking Force: 46% front
Pressure: 110%
Acceleration: 5%
Decceleration: 3%
D Class 1968 Shelby GT500
Tune:
Tires 29fr/28r
Gears
Fd: 3.25
1st 3.60
2nd 2.15
3rd 1.50
4th 1.20
5th 1.00
6th 0.86
Alignment
Camber -0.8fr/ -0.6r
Toe 0.1fr/-0.2r
Caster 6.0
Anti Roll Bars 25.00 front/22.50 rear
springs 514.0fr/448.0 r
Ride height 7.4 frnt/ 7.5 r
Damping
Rebound 5.0 frnt/ 11.0 r
Bump 2.5frnt/ 5.0r
Brake Balance 43%
Brake pressure 110%
Differential 16% accel 21% decel
D Class AE86 Sprinter Tureno
Build
Engine and Power
None
Handling and Platform
Brakes – Stock
Springs and Dampers – Race
Anti-Roll Bars – Race
Transmission – Race
Clutch – Race
Flywheel – Street
Driveline – Stock
Differential – Race
Weight Reduction – Race
Tyres and Rims
Tyre Compound – Bridgestone Race
Tyre Width – 225/50R14
The Set Up – Tsukuba
Tyre Pressure 29 PSI Front / 27 PSI Rear
Gearing – FD 3.00 / 1st 3.16 / 2nd 2.17 / 3rd 1.62 / 4th 1.31 / 5th 1.12 / 6th 0.97
Alignment
Camber -1.1 Front / -0.9 Rear
Toe 0.2 degrees front / -0.2 degrees rear
Front Caster 6 degrees
ARB 6.97 Front / 15.12 Rear
Springs 250.6 lb/in Front / 230.3 lb/in rear
Ride Height 5.6 in front / 5.8 in rear
Damping
Rebound 8.8 front / 9.1 rear
Bump 5.0 front / 2.8 rear
Aero – 49lb front / 51 lb rear
Diff 28% Accel / 12% Decel
D Class Renault 5 Turbo
I love racing this car around Motegi and Motegi East where it does the best but also like giving it a blast around the longer tracks such as Silverstone International and the Grand Prix Version.


Tune: GSI Daney
Paint: carlcooper
Price: Free Tune / Paint 35k
Sellers: Spot Performance Team
Tune Type: Grip
Track type: Short / Medium
BUILD:
Springs: Race.
Anti Roll Bars: Race.
Transmission: Race
Clutch: Race.
Flywheel: Street.
Driveline: Street.
Differential: Race.
Tyre Compound: Race Bridgestone.
Rim Style: Enkei RP F1.
Front Bumper: Race Forza.
Rear Wing: Race Forza.
Rear Bumper: Race Forza.
TUNE:
Tyres: 28, 28.
Gearing: 3.17, 3.30, 2.10, 1.55, 1.34, 1.20, 1.11.
Alignment: -0.6, -0.4, 0.1, -0.1, 5.6.
Anti Roll Bars: 32.49, 7.39.
Springs: 128.5, 162.2, 5.0, 5.1.
Damping: 2.9, 3.5, 1.9, 1.7.
Aero: 50, 95.
Braking: NA.
Differential: 35%, 7%
D Class 1991 BMW M3



Make/Model: 1991 BMW M3 E30
Class: D 400 HP: 215 Torque: 180 lb-ft Weight: 2634 lbs
Ratings
Speed: 3.6 Accel: 3.4 Brake: 4.6 Cornering: 4.4 Rarity: 6.3
Info: I know the D 400 BMW Driver Training M3 E30 isnt the fastest D class car, but i just want to do something different.
Some lap times:
Motegi Road Course West: 42.037
TT – Copperhead: 53.715
TT – Copperhead Reverse: 53.887
Aids used: none
Mods
Front Bumper: Race
Rear Bumper:
Sides: N/A
Spoiler: Race
Hood: N/A
Chassis Mods
Brakes: Stock
Suspension: Race
Anti-roll bars: Race
Trans: Race
Clutch: Race
Flywheel: Stock
Driveshaft: Sport
Differential: Race
Weight Reduction: Stock
Tires
Tire compound/manufacturer: Stock
Wheel width: Stock
Wheel diameter: 19
Wheel make/model: Zender Dynamic
Tuning:
Tires(psi) F/R: 29/29
Gearing:
FD: 3.59
1: 3.25
2: 2.33
3: 1.80
4: 1.45
5: 1.22
6: 1.05
Alignment
-Camber F/R: -0.8 / -0.8
-Toe F/R: 0.0/ -0.2
-Caster: 5.5
Anti-roll Bar F/R: 12.69 / 11.23
Springs F/R: 484.1 / 309.7
Ride Height F/R: 4.5 / 4.5
Dampers (rebound): 8.2 / 7.8
Dampers (bump): 7.5 / 5.6
Downforce: 45 / 50
Braking
Balance: N/A
Pressure: N/A
Front Diff Accel: 60%
Front Diff Decel: 50%
Class: D 400 HP: 187 Torque:158 lb-ft Weight: 2166 lbs
Ratings: Speed: 4.1 Accel:3.1 Brake: 4.4 Cornering: 4.4 Rarity:
Info:
Some lap times:
Engine Mods
Intake: Street
Exhaust: Stock
Ign.: Stock
Fuel: Stock
Camshaft: stock
Block: stock
Intercooler: Stock
Turbo: Stock
Centrifugal S/C: Stock
Pos. Displ. S/C: Stock
Engine/Drivetrain swap: Stock
Chassis Mods
Brakes: Sport
Suspension: Race
Anti-roll bars: Race
Trans: Race
Clutch: Race
Flywheel: Race
Driveshaft: Race
Differential: Race
Weight Reduction: Sport
Tires
Tire compound/manufacturer:Street BFGoodrich
Wheel width: Stock
Wheel diameter: 19
Wheel make/model: Gram lights57C
Areo Mods
Front Bumper: Stock
Rear Bumper: Stock
Sides: Stock
Spoiler: Stock
Hood: Stock
Tuning:
Tires(psi) F/R: 29/29
Gearing:
FD: 4.59
1: 4.17
2: 2.21
3: 1.52
4: 1.15
5: 0.97
6: 0.88
Alignment
Camber F/R: -0.8 / -0.8
Toe F/R: 0.0/ – 0.2
Caster: 5.6
Anti-roll Bar F/R: 7.42 /13.27
Springs F/R: 479.5 / 280.8
Ride Height F/R: 6.3 / 6.3
Dampers (rebound): 8.3 / 4.6
Dampers (bump): 4.1 / 2.3
Downforce: 0 / 0
Braking
Balance: N/A
Pressure: N/A
Diff
Front Diff Accel: 30%
Front Diff Decel: 0%
FORZA 3 CLASSES AND LISTS
All of Forza 3’s ten different classes explained and listed with the number of races and points you can gain per race.
• 1 Testing:
Designed mainly as an introduction to the various cars and style. You start out of course with the wonderfully responsive Audi R8 Quartro to get your skill level worked out, which the AI helps determine. You can still change this difficulty level, but the AI simply wants to see your skill levels, it then seems to work out the opponent difficulty for you, which helps a great deal. Your first main Test is then back into th “F Class” cars so you can work your way through the pack.
Testing:
- Asian Open – 3 Races – 6000 points
- European Open – 3 races – 6,600 points
- All American Open – 3 races – 6,600 points
- FWD Open – 3 races – 6,600 points
- RWD Open – 3 races – 6,600 points
- AWD Open – 3 races – 6,600 points
- 2 Door Challenge – 3 races – 6,800 points
- 3 Door Open – 3 races – 6,800 points
- 4 Door Open – 3 races – 6,800 points
- 5 Door Open – 3 races – 6,800 points
• 2 Amateur:
An area where you will build your experience with the different cars, working up the ladder towards the higher end cars. Do not be discouraged with these, or think that they are beneath you as a driver. A great deal of fun and most importantly, experience can be gained through constant playing of these classes.
Amateur 1:
- FWD Elite Open – 3 races – 12,900 points
- Asian Elite Open – 3 races – 12,400 points
- French Elite Open – 3 races – 12,000 points
- RWD Elite Invitational – 3 races – 12,700
- Mid-Engine Elite Open – 3 races – 11,600 points
- Nth American Elite Open – 3 races – 13,100 points
- German Elite Invitational – 3 races – 14,600 points
- British Elite Invitational – 3 races – 15,100
- AWD Elite Open – 3 races – 14,100 points
- Italian Elite Open – 3 races – 15,800 points
Amateur 2:
- Super Mini Road Test – 3 races – 11,500 points
- Coupe Road Test 1 – 3 races – 13,300 points
- Saloon Road Test 1 – 3 races – 11,700 points
- Hot Hatch Road Test – 3 races – 13,100 points
- SUV Road Test – 3 races – 12,200 points
- Coupe Road Test 2 – 3 races – 13,800 points
- Saloon Road Test 2 – 3 races – 14,600 points
- Coupe Road Test 2 – 3 races 13,200 points
- Supercar Road Test 3 races – 15,400 points
- Prototype Road Test – 3 races 16,100 points
Amateur 3:
- American Muscle Showdown – 3 races – 11,100 points
- Inline 4 Showcase – 3 races – 11,400 points
- Normal Aspiration Runoff – 3 races – 12,500 points
- Boosted Proving Grounds – 3 races – 13,500 points
- Six-Cyl Fast & Furious – 3 races – 12,700 points
- Ultralight Showdown – 3 races – 13,100 points
- Executive Car Open – 3 races – 14,300 points
- Eight-Cyl Supreme GT – 3 races – 13,600 points
- Ten-Cyl Salute – 3 races – 15,000 points
- Twelve-Cyl Flagship Trophy – 3 races – 14,300 points
• 3 Manufacturer:
Manufacturer 1:
- Integra Owners Meeting – 4 races – 22,900 points
- Hyundi Owners Meeting – 4 races – 21,100 points
- Mitshubishi Owners Meeting – 4 races – 22,700 points
- Skyline Owners Meeting – 4 races – 23,400 points
- Subaru Owners Meeting – 4 races – 21,500 points
- Honda Acura Owners Meeting – 4 races – 24,100 points
- Mazda Owners Meeting – 4 races – 23,800 points
- Fairlady 2 Cup – 4 races – 23,300 points
- Nissan Infiniti Owners Meeting – 4 races – 24,200 points
- Toyota Lexus Owners Meeting – 4 races – 23,700 points
Manufacturer 2:
- Peugeot Racing Club – 4 races – 20,600 points
- Sweden Racing Club – 4 races – 22,200 points
- V.Dub Racing Club – 4 races – 22,300 points
- Vahxall Racing CLub – 4 races – 24,200 points
- Lotus Racing Club – 4 races- 23,400 points
- SEAT Racing Club – 4 races – 23,300 points
- BMW Owners Club – 4 races – 22,900 points
- Audi Racing Club – 4 races – 25,800 points
- Mercedes- Benz Racing Club – 4 races – 25,800 points
- Porsche Racing Club – 4 races – 26,600 points
Manufacturer 3:
- Firebird T.A. Track Days – 4 races – 22,400 points
- Focus Track Days – 4 races – 22,000 points
- Chrysler Track Days – 4 races – 23,300 points
- Pontiac Track Days – 4 races – 23,500
- Mustang Track Days – 4 races – 24,100 points
- Ford Track Days – 4 races – 23,800 points
- Chevrolet Track Days – 4 races – 26,400 points
- Corvette Track Days – 4 races – 26,00o points
- Dodge Track Days – 4 races – 25,900 points
- Viper Track Days – 4 races – 26,400 points
Manufacturer 4:
- World Sub-Compact Shoot Out – 4 races – 20,500 points
- American Muscle Shoot Out – 4 races – 20,100 points
- Euro Hatch Shoot Out – 4 races – 21,400 points
- Lightweight Shoot Out – 4 races – 22,500 points
- German SUV Shoot Out – 4 races – 22,400 points
- JDM Imports – 990’s Shoot Out – 4 races – 21,800
- Speedstar Shoot Out – 4 races – 23,500 points
- Premium Sedan Shoot Out – 4 races – 25,100 points
- Prestigious Shoot Out – 4 races – 23,800 points
- Ultimate Speed Shoot Out – 4 races – 26,200 points
Manufacturer 5:
- Civic V’s Golf – 4 races – 22,100 points
- Celica V’s Silvia – 4 races – 22,300 points
- Tarmac Rally – 4 races – 22,300 points
- Mustang V’s Camaro – 4 races – 22,800 points
- Supra V’s Fairlady 2 – 4 races – 22,600 points
- German Sports Line Challenge – 4 races – 25,800 points
- NSX V’s Skyline – 4 races – 24,900 points
- Fastest Fleet Shoot Out – 4 races – 27,100 points
- Ferrari V’s Porsche – 4 races – 25,800 points
- Lamborginhi V’s Ferrai – 4 races – 26,500 points
• 4 Semi Professional:
Semi Pro 1:
- Puma 150 BHP Run-Off – 5 races – 42,700 points
- Recaro 200 BHP Run-Off – 5 races – 44,800 points
- Bilstein 250 BHP Run-Off – 5 races – 46,500 points
- Toyo 300 BHP Run-Off – 5 races – 49,300 points
- Sparco 350 BHP Run-Off – 5 races – 48,900 points
- BBS 400 BHP Run-Off – 5 races – 54,500 points
- Stoptech 450 BHP Run-Off – 5 races – 54,900 points
- Bridgestone 500 BHP Run-Off – 5 races – 50,700 points
- Motul 600 BHP Run-Off – 5 races – 55,800 points
- K&N 700 BHP Run-Off – 5 races – 55,800 points
Semi Pro 2:
- Class F Pre-’00 Asian Tour – 5 races – 41,600 points
- Class F Post ‘00 Asian Tour – 5 races – 43,400 points
- Class E Pre ‘03 Asian Tour – 5 races – 45,200 points
- Class E Post ‘03 Asian Tour – 5 races – 45,800 points
- Class D Pre ‘00 Asian Tour – 5 races – 46,500 points
- Class D Post ‘00 Asian Tour – 5 races – 47,400 points
- Class C Asian Tour – 5 races – 49,400 points
- Class B Asian Tour – 5 races – 52,000 points
- C;ass S Asian Tour – 5 races – 58,000 points
- Class R2 Asian Tour – 5 races – 61,000 points
Semi Pro 3:
- Class F European Tour – 5 races – 41,000 points
- Class E European Tour – 5 races – 43,400 points
- Class D European Tour – 5 races – 45,000 points
- Class C European Tour – 5 races – 49,200 points
- Class B European Tour – 5 races – 47,900 points
- Class A European Tour – 5 races – 53,800 points
- Class S European Tour – 5 races – 53,700 points
- Class R3 European Tour – 5 races – 54,800 points
- Class R2 European Tour – 5 races – 59,000 points
- Class R1 European Tour – 5 races – 63,000 points
Semi Pro 4:
- Class F Nth American Your – 5 races – 44,700 points
- Class E Nth American Your – 5 races – 44,000 points
- Class D Nth American Your – 5 races – 46,900 points
- Calss C Nth American Your – 5 races – 47,200 points
- Class B Nth American Your – 5 races – 53,000 points
- Class A Nth American Your – 5 races – 56,000 points
- Class S Nth American Your – 5 races – 58,000 points
- Class R3 Nth American Your – 5 races – 63,000 points
- Class R2 Nth American Your – 5 races – 64,000 points
- Class R1 Nth American Your – 5 races – 66,000 points
• 5 Professional:
Professional 1:
- Yaris S Trophy – 6 races – 68,800 points
- MX5 Miata Trophy – 6 races – 72,000 points
- ABARTH 500 ESSEESES Trophy – 6 races – 79,000 points
- Mini John Cooper Works Cup – 6 races – 82,000 points
- Hyundi Geniesis Coupe Tour Trophy – 6 races – 83,000 points
- F355 Challenge Trophy Trophy – 6 races – 91,000 points
- Murcielago LP640 Trophy Trophy – 6 races – 65,000 points
- Porsche 911 GT3 Trophy Trophy – 6 races – 85,000 points
- Ferrari F430 Trophy Trophy – 6 races – 90,000 points
- FXX Trophy Trophy – 6 races – 101,000 points
Professional 2:
- Aussie Touring Car Championship – 6 race – 111,000 points
- Porsche 911 GT3 Showdown – 6 races – 111,000 points
- German Racing Car Showdown – 6 races – 110,000 points
- American GT3 Invitational – 6 races – 109,000 points
- GT3 Invitational – 6 races – 109,000 points
- GT2 Invitational – 6 races – 116,000 points
- Japanese Invitational – 6 races – 119,000 points
- Dream Machine – 6 races – 117,000 points
- GT1 Invitational – 6 races – 119,000 points
- LMP Invitational – 6 races – 116,000 points
Professional 3:
- Class F World Tour – 6 races – 84,000 points
- Class E World Tour – 6 races – 88,000 points
- Class D World Tour – 6 races – 99,000 points
- Class C World Tour – 6 races – 100,000 points
- Class B World Tour – 6 races – 110,000 points
- Class A World Tour – 6 races – 115,000 points
- Class S World Tour – 6 races – 114,000 points
- Class R3 World Tour – 6 races – 116,000 points
- Class R2 World Tour – 6 races – 126,000 points
- Class R1 World Tour – 6 races – 133,000 points
• 6 Speedway:
Speedway:
- Class F Speedway Challenge – 6 races – 18,800 points
- Class E Speedway Challenge – 6 races – 19,400 points
- Class D Speedway Challenge – 6 races – 20,600 points
- Class C Speedway Challenge – 6 races – 21,400 points
- Class B Speedway Challenge – 6 races – 22,500 points
- Class A Speedway Challenge – 6 races – 23,500 points
- Class S Speedway Challenge – 6 races – 23,700 points
- Class R3 Speedway Challenge – 6 races – 25,700 points
- Class R2 Speedway Challenge – 6 races – 25,900 points
- Class R1 Speedway Challenge – 6 races – 27,400 points
• 7 Drag Racing Heats:
Drag Races:
- 250 bhp FWD Shoot Out – 3 races – 1,890 points
- 300 bhp FWD Shoot Out – 3 races – 1,890 points
- 350 bhp RWD Shoot Out – 3 races – 1,890 points
- 400 bhp AWD Shoot Out – 3 races – 2,700 points
- 450 bhp RWD Shoot Out – 3 races – 2,700 points
- 500 bhp AWD Shoot Out – 3 races – 2,700 points
- 550 bhp AWD Shoot Out – 3 races – 2,700 points
- 600 bhp AWD Shoot Out – 3 races – 2,700 points
- 650 bhp RWD Shoot Out – 3 races – 2,700 points
- 700 bhp RWD Shoot Out – 3 races – 2,700 points
• 8 Closed circuit laps & races:
Closed circuit:
- Fujimi Kaido Class F Series – 4 races – 38,400 points
- Amalfi Coast Class E Series – 4 races – 29,000 points
- Nurburgring Class D Series – 4 races – 38,400 points
- Fujimi Kaido Class C Series – 4 races – 39,300 points
- Amalfi Coast Class B Series – 4 races – 29,100 points
- Nurnurgring Class A Series – 4 races – 38,400 points
- Fujimi Kaido Class S Series – 4 races – 39,000 points
- Amalfi Coast Class R3 Series – 4 races – 27,900 points
- Nurburgring Class R2 Series – 4 races – 38,400 points
- Fujimi Kaido Class R1 Series – 4 races – 38,700 points
Closed circuit – Lap Days:
- Class F Lap Days – 3 races – 34,400 points
- Class E Lap Days – 3 races – 34,500 points
- Class D Lap Days – 3 races – 34,500 points
- Class C Lap Days – 3 races – 34,400 points
- Class B Lap Days – 3 races – 34,500 points
- Class A Lap Days – 3 races – 34,500 points
- Class S Lap Days – 3 races – 34,400 points
- Class R3 Lap Days – 3 races – 34,400 points
- Class R2 Lap Days – 3 races – 34,500 points
- Class R1 Lap Days – 3 races – 34,400 points
• 9 Full-on Endurance Races:
Endurance:
- 34 Lap Road Atlanta – 1 race – 72,000 points
- 130 klm Circuit de Catalunya – 1 race – 74,000 points
- 134 klm Twin RIng Mojetgi – 1 race – 83,000 points
- 160 klm Silverstone Gran Prix – 1 race – 88,000 points
- 32 Lap Mugello – 1 race – 92,000 points
- 169 klm Suzuka Circuit – 1 race – 92,000 points
- 31 Lap Sebring International Raceway – 1 race – 99,000 points
- 128 mil Road America – 1 race – 110,000 points
- 17 Laps Circuit de la Sarthe – 1 race – 110,000 points
- 187 klm Nurburgring Nordschleife – 1 race – 110,000 points
• 10 Top of the Ladder Championships:
Championships:
- Class F World Championships – 3 races – 18,200 points
- Class E World Championships – 3 races – 23,900 points
- Class D World Championships – 4 races – 36,600 points
- Class C World Championships – 5 races – 53,000 points
- Class B World Championships – 6 races – 82,000 points
- Class A World Championships – 7 races – 106,000 points
- Class S World Championships – 8 races – 157,000 points
- Class R3 World Championships – 9 races – 216,000 points
- Class R2 World Championships – 11 races – 314,000 points
- Class R1 World Championships – 13 races – 428,000 points
Make sure you come back for an even more detailed breakdown soon, we will have a downloadable and printable PDF for each set of races or class, so you can find out, the tracks, number of laps and points gained for each race.
Our next set of Forza 3 details will be dealing with various racing tips for each track, as well as some driving tips for the Novice, Intermediate and Expert drivers. Dealing with such things as Assists, Gears, slight changes to the Optimised Auto-Upgrades and several other great Forza 3 tips-n-tricks.
The main thing is to have fun, but also to hone your skills so that you get the best you can from not only Forza 3, but any decent racing game. Our aim is that you will walk away from the experience much more informed, and also with a greater respect for the game, and the work Turn 10 have put into the game.
Personally I’m looking forward to the next lot of Downloadable Content, and seeing the creations that come from the Forza 3 community. The game has its bugs, all games do. There’s no such thing as the “perfect” game or a game without flaws. They all have them. Forza 3 has its share, but they do not distract from the overall experience of the gameplay or the game in general